In many member states, politicians are now wrangling with how to achieve recently announced NATO goals, and whether they come at the cost of other priorities. In Slovenia, the government itself is divided – with calls for referenda on the spending hikes and even on NATO membership itself. In this exclusive interview, DW speaks to Slovenian Foreign Minister Tanja Fajon. Is Slovenia serious about meeting its commitments? Or is this an early sign that the new goals are a mirage, just like the 2% goal agreed more than a decade ago?