Lapid: 'Israel will protect its interests no matter what'
Anne-Sophie Brändlin
June 8, 2017
As the world marks 50 years of Israeli occupation in Palestine, Conflict Zone speaks with Yair Lapid in Tel Aviv, a former finance minister who is tipped as a future prime minister. What is his vision for peace?
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This week marks the 50th anniversary of the Six-Day War, in which Israel fought against Egypt, Jordan and Syria and managed to conquer the West Bank, the Sinai Peninsula, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights within less than a week, thereby tripling its territory.
On paper, it was the shortest war in Israel's history, which only lasted for six days. But in reality, the effects are still felt today, 50 years later, as the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is still ongoing and violent clashes between both sides often escalate.
In an interview with Conflict Zone, Israeli politician Yair Lapid said that Israel is not to blame for these escalations.
"We are not the aggressor in Gaza," he said.
"We have done in Gaza whatever the world has asked us to do. We left, we dismantled the settlements. The army left."
Is Israel doing enough to promote the rights of Arabs?
According to the latest human rights report from the United States Department of State, there was still institutional and societal discrimination in Israel against its Arab citizens in 2016.
But in the interview, Lapid denied that Israel is discriminating against its Arab citizens.
"I don't think we don't have equality in this country," he said.
"We are the only country in the Middle East that did anything to promote the democratic rights of Arab citizens."
He argued that "calling Israel a discriminatory country is a smear" and stated that "Israel is the one who is being treated in an unfair way."
A history of the Middle East peace process
For over half a century, disputes between Israelis and Palestinians over land, refugees and holy sites remain unresolved. DW gives you a short history of when the conflict flared and when attempts were made to end it.
UN Security Council Resolution 242, 1967
United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, passed on November 22, 1967, called for the exchange of land for peace. Since then, many of the attempts to establish peace in the region have referred to 242. The resolution was written in accordance with Chapter VI of the UN Charter, under which resolutions are recommendations, not orders.
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Camp David Accords, 1978
A coalition of Arab states, led by Egypt and Syria, fought Israel in the Yom Kippur or October War in October 1973. The conflict eventually led to the secret peace talks that yielded two agreements after 12 days. This picture from March 26, 1979, shows Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, his US counterpart Jimmy Carter and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin after signing the accords in Washington.
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The Madrid Conference, 1991
The US and the former Soviet Union came together to organize a conference in the Spanish capital. The discussions involved Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and the Palestinians — not from the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) — who met with Israeli negotiators for the first time. While the conference achieved little, it did create the framework for later, more productive talks.
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Oslo I Accord, 1993
The negotiations in Norway between Israel and the PLO, the first direct meeting between the two parties, resulted in the Oslo I Accord. The agreement was signed in the US in September 1993. It demanded that Israeli troops withdraw from West Bank and Gaza Strip and a self-governing, interim Palestinian authority be set up for a five-year transitional period. A second accord was signed in 1995.
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Camp David Summit Meeting, 2000
US President Bill Clinton invited Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat to the retreat in July 2000 to discuss borders, security, settlements, refugees and Jerusalem. Despite the negotiations being more detailed than ever before, no agreement was concluded. The failure to reach a consensus at Camp David was followed by renewed Palestinian uprising, the Second Intifada.
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The Arab Peace Initiative, 2002
The Camp David negotiations were followed first by meetings in Washington and then in Cairo and Taba, Egypt — all without results. Later the Arab League proposed the Arab Peace Initiative in Beirut in March 2002. The plan called on Israel to withdraw to pre-1967 borders so that a Palestinian state could be set up in the West Bank and Gaza. In return, Arab countries would agree to recognize Israel.
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The Roadmap, 2003
The US, EU, Russia and the UN worked together as the Middle East Quartet to develop a road map to peace. While Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas accepted the text, his Israeli counterpart Ariel Sharon had more reservations with the wording. The timetable called for a final agreement on a two-state solution to be reached in 2005. Unfortunately, it was never implemented.
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Annapolis, 2007
In 2007, US President George W. Bush hosted a conference in Annapolis, Maryland, to relaunch the peace process. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas took part in talks with officials from the Quartet and over a dozen Arab states. It was agreed that further negotiations would be held with the goal of reaching a peace deal by the end of 2008.
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Washington, 2010
In 2010, US Middle East Envoy George Mitchell convinced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to agree to and implement a 10-month moratorium on settlements in disputed territories. Later, Netanyahu and Abbas agreed to relaunch direct negotiations to resolve all issues. Negotiations began in Washington in September 2010, but within weeks there was a deadlock.
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Cycle of escalation and ceasefire continues
A new round of violence broke out in and around Gaza in late 2012. A ceasefire was reached between Israel and those in power in the Gaza Strip, which held until June 2014. The kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in June 2014 resulted in renewed violence and eventually led to the Israeli military operation Protective Edge. It ended with a ceasefire on August 26, 2014.
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Paris summit, 2017
Envoys from over 70 countries gathered in Paris, France, to discuss the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. Netanyahu slammed the discussions as "rigged" against his country. Neither Israeli nor Palestinian representatives attended the summit. "A two-state solution is the only possible one," French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said at the opening of the event.
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Deteriorating relations in 2017
Despite the year's optimistic opening, 2017 brought further stagnation in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. A deadly summer attack on Israeli police at the Temple Mount, a site holy to both Jews and Muslims, sparked deadly clashes. Then US President Donald Trump's plan to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem prompted Palestinian leader Abbas to say "the measures ... undermine all peace efforts."
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Trump's peace plan backfires, 2020
US President Donald Trump presented a peace plan that freezes Israeli settlement construction but retains Israeli control over most of the illegal settlements it has already built. The plan would double Palestinian-controlled territory but asks Palestinians to cross a red line and accept the previously constructed West Bank settlements as Israeli territory. Palestinians reject the plan.
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Conflict reignites in 2021
Plans to evict four families and give their homes in East Jerusalem to Jewish settlers led to escalating violence in May 2021. Hamas fired over 2,000 rockets at Israel, and Israeli military airstrikes razed buildings in the Gaza Strip. The international community, including Germany's Foreign Ministry, called for an end to the violence and both sides to return to the negotiating table.
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Calling for separation
Lapid strongly defended his standpoint of putting the Jewish population's security first.
"Are we not allowed to protect the life of our children? Is this something only the other side has the right to?" asked the head of the centrist Yesh Atid party.
He claimed Palestinians are "using, or misusing, all the rights they have been given in order to promote terror" and stressed that the Jewish people are scared and that "people feel that we've tried everything."
Therefore, Lapid said Israel has to separate from the Palestinians and build "the highest wall possible between the two people."
He further elaborated on his peace plan, which is based on regional cooperation and negotiations with moderate Sunni states in order to establish a Palestinian state alongside Israel, in what is known as the "two-state solution."
Settlements part of two-state solution
Lapid, who is tipped by many as the future prime minister, also said that any future peace agreement would have to include the big blocks of settlements around Jerusalem and in Ariel and that Israel will not make any unilateral steps.
"What is happening outside the big blocks is probably the future state of Palestine. Inside the big blocks it's Israel and going to stay Israel," he said.
"We are willing to go to start a process in order to compromise and have a two-state solution. But we're not going to do anything that will harm Israel's security. There is no way of going back to 1967 or 1948. Things have changed and this is part of Israel and it's going to stay part of Israel," Lapid stated.
"Israel will protect its interests no matter what. And we are not asking permission from anybody whether or not to stay in our homeland."
Settlement dispute
However, settlements have been one of the most contentious issues between Israelis and Palestinians since the Six-Day War.
According to the Israeli advocacy group Peace Now, more than 130 settlements have been officially established in the West Bank since 1967, along with more than 90 outposts, which were built without government approval.
There are currently more than half-a-million Jewish settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Palestinians argue settlements, along with Israeli-only roads, security barriers and military checkpoints, threaten the viability of a two-state solution.
Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah told Conflict Zone in early 2016 that the "expansion of settlements on a daily basis kills the viability of a Palestinian state."
Most countries across the world view settlement building on Palestinian land as a violation of international law.
In December 2016, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution that said the establishment of settlements in Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, had "no legal validity" and "constituted a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the vision of two states living side-by-side in peace and security."
It called for an immediate halt to all settlement building.
Confronted with this resolution, Lapid called the UN "biased against Israel."
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has also labeled the UN call "shameful" and retaliated with a government decision on a major settlement expansion consisting of thousands of new housing units in the West Bank.
'BDS movement is biased and doesn't know what it's talking about'
Lapid has described the leaders of the Boycott, Divestments and Sanctions (BDS) movement, which claim to be "working to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians," as anti-Semites linked to the Palestinian Mufti who collaborated with the Nazis.
"I think BDS is a Hamas financed, a terror financed movement," he said on Conflict Zone.
Lapid also said that Jewish Voices for Peace in the US are "useful idiots” used by Hamas who don't know what they are talking about.
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